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 Dinesh Valke
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  Posted 25/02/2008 10:24:43 PM
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Hello friends, could this be Melastoma?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2318/2206197141_eea1fbf51d.jpg
... click on photo for another view.

at Veermata Jeejabai Bhosale Udyan, Mumbai

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  Posted 26/02/2008 00:38:10 AM
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Definitely from Melastomataceae - the flowers and the parallel veined leaves are indicators. But the genus Osbeckia should also be explored.

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  Posted 26/02/2008 11:25:17 AM
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OK. I will take the tip, Tabish.
Thanks very much.

 Dinesh Valke
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  Posted 27/02/2008 10:06:19 PM
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O. chinensis is quite similar to O. nepalensis
- chinensis: 8-10 stamens
- nepalensis: 10 stamens

O. chinensis has two varieties:
var. angustifolia: leaf blade oblong-ovate to elliptic-ovate
var. chinensis: leaf blade linear, linear-lanceolate, or very rarely ovate- lanceolate

I find this plant to be O. chinensis var. angustifolia (or simply Osbeckia angustifolia)

I could not find any common names.

Referred http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200014983
More of Osbeckias are described in a PDF at http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/PDF/PDF13/Osbeckia.pdf

Tabish, you may review, and once again thanks very much.  


PS: Beats me to know that angustifolia meaning: having narrow leaves, in this case, has quite on the contrary!!  

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  Posted 28/02/2008 06:12:38 PM
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Dinesh, I share your doubt about the name angustifolia. For one, why would the leaves, like the ones in your pic, be called angustifolia? Secondly, according to the descrïption at efloras, their broadest form would be 3X1 cm. In your pic, the length breadth ratio doesn't look larger than 2:1.

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  Posted 28/02/2008 06:55:14 PM
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Dinesh, it looks like Osbeckia, which I had suggested, should be ruled out. References say that Osbeckias have all the anthers similar. Melastomas have dissimilar stamens, numbering twice the number of petals.
Your flower shows 5 purple, curved anthers, and 5 yellow anthers.

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  Posted 28/02/2008 07:16:50 PM
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Your flower seems to agree quite well with Melastoma malabathricum, except that is leaves don't agree satisfyingly.
One detailed reference
http://www.uni-mainz.de/FB/Biologie/Botanikspeziell/web_old/Botanikspeziell/oldPages/Melastomataceae/Mmalabathricum.html
says
Notes - Melastoma malabathricum is the most widespread and morphologically most variable species of the genus, resulting in the descrïption of many separate species.

It describes the leaves of Melastoma malabathricum ssp. malabathricum as
Leaves elliptic to lanceolate, 6--15 x 2--6.5 cm, occasionally narrowly lanceolate to oblong, 4--6 x 0.6--1.5 cm, base rounded to acute, apex acuminate;

What say you?  

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 Dinesh Valke
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  Posted 29/02/2008 11:42:20 PM
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Yes, then it must be M. malabathricum.

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  Posted 04/03/2008 10:13:31 AM
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Dinesh, I am putting this up. If any fresh doubt crops up, do let me know.

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  Posted 04/03/2008 05:01:18 PM
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OK.

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  Posted 26/05/2008 00:25:37 AM
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Nandan, could this be Schizocentron elegans that you are referring?

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  Posted 26/05/2008 09:49:44 PM
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I think nandan is referring to this. Only the current name seems to be Heterocentron elegans.
So, finally that uncomfortable feeling is settling down.
And this one is from Melastomataceae. I did not know about this genus.

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  Posted 26/05/2008 09:52:57 PM
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However, the leaves don't seem to agree with the web images I see.... Dinesh, what do u say?

 Dinesh Valke
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  Posted 26/05/2008 09:55:51 PM
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Me too no !!
And kudos to Nandan, and many thanks ... for nailing it.

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  Posted 26/05/2008 10:03:47 PM
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Hey Dinesh, check out this Dissotis rotundifolia.
Leaves of this one has parallel veins, like in your pic:
http://www.hear.org/Pier/images/dirotp1.jpg

 Dinesh Valke
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  Posted 26/05/2008 10:44:21 PM
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As it is there were many Melastoma

I quickly agreed to Nandan's point because the plant was a (prostrate) creeper ... I did not think of anything else.  

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  Posted 27/05/2008 11:42:25 AM
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Look at this descrïption from hear.org
http://www.hear.org/Pier/species/dissotis_rotundifolia.htm
"...anthers of larger stamens pink or lavender, 7-8 mm long, connective prolonged 3-4 mm and modified basally into a deeply 2-lobed spur 1.5-2 mm long..."
And look at this zoomed part of Dinesh's picture
http://www.flowersofindia.net/misc/temp.jpg

I think Heterocentron elegans have 4-petalled flowers (need to confirm it properly), and the leaves do have three parallel veins.  

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